Light it Red

Griffin Cunningham 0:00
Music.

Welcome back to light it red. Today we're gonna try to do a more fun episode, more down to earth episode, because, well, we really don't have much to talk about in terms of, like, success or anything

Stone Boylan 0:20
that much fun going on here? Yeah, State Athletics right now.

Griffin Cunningham 0:23
So we figured it might just be better to, you know, go back and forth and just they play a couple of, like, I don't know, trivial games, and maybe reflect on the past a little bit, remember the good times, yeah, but

before,

Stone Boylan 0:38
definitely needed right now,

Griffin Cunningham 0:39
yeah, agreed. Before we do that, we will just quickly run down what we've missed in the past two weeks. So stone, let's just talk about football real quick.

Stone Boylan 0:52
Yeah, so I believe we stopped recording after the last episode was after the Clemson game, if I'm not mistaken. So we played NIU and Wake Forest NIU, we did win. You know, it was good when kind of grinded out game.

Not a ton to take there, I would say, just a little closer than preferred to a team like that. But NIU was almost ranked because they or they were ranked when they beat Notre Dame. So hey, good that we didn't fall to them. But then we get to the Wake Forest game, and I think that is the main one that I really want to get into, because we were four and a half point favorites at home against a one in three Wake Forest team, we had 100 more total yards than them. We were better on third down by a I think, like 20% we had the same amount of turnovers. So it's not like one team won the turnover battle or anything, and we had more time of possession and we lost 34 to 30. So we went all those things. More likely than that you're gonna win a game, but we just could not stop the run at all. Their running back had like six yards per carry, 135 yards, two touchdowns. We gave up. They were Wake Forest was three for three on fourth down, so we didn't try any fourth downs. But that, I feel like this the biggest difference maker, just 3/4 downs that they were able to convert, that they were able to get multiple points off of. And then obviously, you know, you have the Grayson McCall thing, which, if you didn't know in the first drive, right? Was it the very first drive of the game? I know it was early. I know he only attempted. I'm pretty sure the first drive, and they were driving down. It was in the red zone. He runs out of the pocket, gets forward, he's which he's not supposed to be doing a ton of, by the way. That's just not his game. I don't know why he's been doing it a lot. This isn't Armstrong in last year where that's all he could do, like, this is McCall can throw, he runs and gets I mean, it was insane. I was at a party for one of my family members, who's turning two years old, and they had a little party and everything. And I'm watching the game, and I was like, Oh my gosh. It's like, I verbally had a reaction, because I was like, Dude, that was a hug. And he went into like, four different people, and his helmet came off, was on the ground. Looked like to a tangabalo on the ground. It was, it was so scary. I was like, Oh my God. And then they ran it back, and that's probably a good part reason why they won is because they completely flipped the field in the first drive of the game. And I know there's the whole game to play, but if you're looking at it holistically, like, Okay, what's the biggest play? It's that one, because we were in the red zone driving, they flip it and get a touchdown out of it because they run it back and we tackle them at the one. But he had to go on a stretcher. He did make a signal to the crowd. I think he sent a piece sign, everything. So, you know, I guess he was okay, but didn't come back. Obviously, he went to the hospital. They said everything was fine. Dave Dorn said everything was fine. I got a notice or whatever, because I was looking it up maybe a few hours after that, all tests were good and everything. But, you know, still, I definitely, I don't know, I texted you this when it happened, and even if all the texts come back fine, I'm not sure he's ever gonna play football again. I do. I really don't know. I mean, he could, I could see it happening. Maybe, I don't know. In let's say we lose the next game or two and they're like, all right, he's good to come back. We can bring back. I could see them doing that. But I don't. I just

his career at Coastal Carolina ended because of a concussion. His What, I can't remember what game it was, the second or third game at NC State,

you know, out because of a concussion, comes back the first drive. He comes back from the second concussion is out with another concussion. So it's three in a row in the span time of him. So I just, I really don't know if he, you know, can can come back and, you know, it's just very unfortunate. But, I mean, we also gave up a 10 point lead in the fourth quarter. So it's not like the defense is killing it or doing anything any anyway. So it's just, yeah, I think Wake Forest kind of was just such a disappointing game of one.

We literally on the stat sheet one and were favored and at home to a better team, and or we were a better team to a worse team. And now we can't say that because we lost.

Griffin Cunningham 5:12
Yeah, definitely touching on the concussion thing, dangerous territory with the concussions.

I don't I'm not a neurologist. I don't know a whole lot about concussions, but I know everyone says that they're really bad, so I would assume that even if he's cleared, he probably has the choice to decide whether or not he wants to play. Yeah, and if the team isn't really doing well, then I don't really see the point exactly, which is, I was surprised that he was even playing at all, and I know you were too. You're like, I didn't even realize he

Stone Boylan 5:46
I didn't know he's gonna be back. I thought he'd be back maybe halfway. I mean, I guess we are close to halfway, but I thought he'd be back maybe a little farther, not this quickly. I know, yeah, yeah,

Griffin Cunningham 5:55
it was kind of under the radar for some reason. But, yeah, it didn't even matter. So, yeah, it didn't,

Stone Boylan 6:01
but Doeran, like, never answered the for when it happened, he refused to answer. And then when even leading up to the game, I never really heard anything. And then just, hey, he's the starter. I'm like, Okay, it's kind of there, but yeah, I mean, just looking at the team as a whole, like, I mean the guy replacing him, CJ Bailey, obviously, true freshman. First true freshman to start since Philip Rivers. He's not Philip Rivers, obviously, but, I mean, I like him better. I liked him better than MJ Morris, that's for sure. Yeah, he's better than Philip Rivers. He's taller. He is He is not. That's what Bryce young needs, for sure. As a Panthers fan, depressing Carolina sports just sucks, like everything about Carolina.

Griffin Cunningham 6:39
Bryce came in and that blowout and had a good Yeah,

Stone Boylan 6:42
he did. He did. That's why I don't want them to drag not to get NFL, but that's why I wanted to just chill, don't freak out and get someone just build an actual team, because the team right now is not, yeah, but agreed back to state. I mean, he's, I've he I liked him better than than MJ, if I'm comparing the two the two backups from the past years. Yeah, but he's still raw, like he doesn't read progressions. He is bad under pressure. He is inconsistent, but he's not been bad. I think Grayson's a better throw the football, but Bailey brings, you know, a good rushing aspect and all that. But, you know, I think with him at quarterback, there's a ceiling to your team, and it doesn't help when the defense is also not helping them out, like it was last year.

But I mean, even, could you even? I just want to ask you a question. Can you tell me who you think their best player this year has even been like, who's been their best player? What side of the anything? I

Griffin Cunningham 7:43
uh,

Stone Boylan 7:43
I don't share, because you could say Casey, but Casey, I don't, yeah, he has, not necessarily, because I don't think he's gotten the ball a ton. I think he also was a little hobbled after the first games where he had three touchdowns, and he's kind of been injured and defensively. I mean, you could say it's Devin van, but he hasn't been the nfo jump to NFL prospect player that we thought,

Griffin Cunningham 8:03
I would say maybe Kendrick Raphael has been the most efficient player,

Stone Boylan 8:08
and that's a backup running back, you know, like, It's fortunate. It's been, I'd say Justin Jolie, but he's like a solid to good tight end in college. I mean, Caden Fordham's had a lot of tackles, but he's not Peyton Wilson at all, not even close. So it's, it's, they're just collectively mid that's what we've been I mean, look, we are literally a I mean, just look, I looked at it before and I couldn't believe it, because going into the year, we were a preseason ranked team. Now we are out of the what, 17 teams that are ACC football. We are a bottom four ACC team right now, Florida, state, UNC and Stanford. I think we beat everyone else. I really don't think we do. And I mean every single one, because you can make an argument for all of them based on how they've played their record, all that stuff. I think analytics wise, they say that we're better than Cal, but I'm not picking us to be Cal, after they just almost beat Miami at home. So it's an interesting point. I think all those other teams besides the four you named, have had like, these moments this season where you're like, okay, they could win some games for sure. Literally, like, you know,

um, bought Boston College with Bill O'Brien has showed some stuff. And they're kind of around us. And, you know, like I just mentioned, Cal and there are other teams like Wake Forest, I can't say them, because they just, they just beat us. Wake I mean, Virginia Tech lost some games they shouldn't have, but they also almost beat Miami. Should have beat Miami as well. We talked about that game earlier. If you didn't watch that, they made a questionable call, and they flipped it, which made that even questionable. And yeah, very bad, messy. All these teams have had, we haven't had anything. We've been rocked by two teams that have been considerably two orange teams that have been considerably better than us. I mean, it might be a third next week. And.

Syracuse, well, I don't think we're gonna get rocked at all. I wouldn't pick us. I'd be, I don't know. I'd be weary picking us to win that game, even if it's at home, just I haven't seen anything, and we've barely won against every other team. And every other team we played has been not a power five school like Louisiana Tech and what was it Western Carolina to open up. We were losing at half on both of those games, and then NIU, and we know we win, because I think we're, you know, Power Five team with Power Five players. But

it's just so powerful. They're four. Yeah, I get Yeah, I always Yeah, you're right. Power four. Now maybe when the PAC 12 gets all the people they're trying to get from the Mountain West. Maybe they'll be so, yeah, but that's a whole nother story. But it's just so, so disappointing for a team that was literally ranked in the preseason and who before the year, was like, Okay, this schedule is easy. Like, it's not that, but we have two games that we identified, like, hey, Clemson, Tennessee, there's gonna be hard. And we thought it'd be Carolina. Carolina Carolina had their quarterback injured. Or, I kind of thought you didn't really believe in Carolina, which was, I think more right now. But to be fair, their quarterback did get injured, but, I mean, they got blown up by JMU, so at home. So I don't think they're much but Duke's much better than we thought a lot of other teams are. But I just think we are just, it's just really disappointing, and I think some of that might come into you had mentioned fatigue and all that in terms of, you know, fans fatigue with the organization, but I I saw this. You can also bring it up. I saw at least on Instagram comments and on X or Twitter or whatever, way more like Dave Dorn needs to be gone, conversations than I saw at all before, because a lot of it was just the OC or the DC more. So the OC now I just, I've seen Dorn stuff more than anything.

Griffin Cunningham 11:48
Yeah, I think so. There are a couple of things that you said that I thought were good points

before we I mean, this is kind of going back a little bit, but the McCall hit with the helmet that wasn't dirty. I don't think Wake Forest that was more on him. Yeah, he didn't protect himself at all. You should late. No better as the quarterback to not do that. I don't have anything else to say about that. And then, yes, with the calling for Doran to be fired, this is not anything that I'm surprised about. It happens every year with every team every level of sport.

Do I agree with it? Is the question I right now I would say no, and the reason is, and I mentioned this before we started the episode here, rebuilding is just not the same at the college level right now as it is in the professional sports world or the NFL, just because of the transfer portal, the coach. I mean, obviously this year, Dave Doran was able to put together a team where everyone collectively came to agree and say, preseason, this is a top 25 team because they had recruited players from the transfer portal now the players that they had brought together, obviously, it's not clicking.

I think you ditch the coordinators first. If the offense has looked like shit the past two years, yeah, Robert and I, I would that'd be the first one to go. I would say I would not bring in another graduate quarterback.

But then at the same time, it's like, the priority should probably be, like you said, developing CJ Bailey. He's a raw talent quarterback.

Stone Boylan 13:38
You know, if we bring in a five star, four star or something.

Griffin Cunningham 13:41
I would not do that. But then

Stone Boylan 13:44
I think you need to. You can't just have, all right, this is our one guy, because

Griffin Cunningham 13:47
you got to develop the quarterback.

Stone Boylan 13:49
But no, they do, but you can't just be like, All right, we're sticking with CJ, and we're not having any insurance. In any case at all,

Griffin Cunningham 13:56
you bringing a backup

Stone Boylan 13:57
who can contend for starting? Because I don't. CJ should be, hey, if he's played well enough to be like he's 100% our guy next year, then sure. But at least up to this point, that hasn't happened. And I think we do have a actually high recruit that is potentially coming in. But I would say to echo your point about seeking out a top five transfer quarterback is something that we probably don't need to do. I would still agree look for people to contend with CJ, but not like, oh my gosh, he was formally, really good at this school, and now he's in the transfer portal, like that is basically what you mean. And I agree with, yeah, I don't think they need to do

Griffin Cunningham 14:36
I certainly don't want to see a one and done situation either.

But I think, yeah, more resources probably need to be invested into developing players. I think that's a formula for success. I think Clemson is a good example of sticking to what you know. They know transfers and then now they're, they're back where they were two years ago. Ish, yeah. Ish, which I mean to take. Time, but you you believe in your program, and you stick to your guns, and I think it needs to be a healthy balance. And I think this past year, it was just a lot of transfer guys. And even like it makes me think of the men's basketball team. It's a little bit of a longer season for basketball. They had more games to get it together. But even that, it was like, this is a terrible team, and it finally came together at the end,

Stone Boylan 15:26
one of the most insane, I mean, but it's risky. I think people realize how bad, like, how mid that bad? Yeah, they were bad, mid bad, that they were the mid of bad. Like, they weren't bad, bad, but they were not good. I know you're saying, but you know what? I mean? Like, yeah, the upper tier of bad, but still bad, like they and then they just do that, and it's like, oh my gosh. And I get your point with football. Like, I mean, last year we had an episode. I vividly remember it. It was the Duke game. After the Duke game, we lost 34 to three, and they went on this big run, beat Miami, beat UNC, beat all these other teams and made a bowl game. And, you know, relatively good bowl game, and obviously, we didn't win. I think majority was because, you know, Peyton Wilson, who was the core of our defense, obviously, was getting ready for the NFL, which, shout out to him. He had a he's might be starting for the Steelers now, because they have some injuries and stuff. But, yeah, so with football, clearly, I think the past. Times I've just watched NC State football, followed it for years, I feel like they just take a little longer, it seems like, to get it together, and then they get it together at the end. So I don't, I think people obviously overreact and stuff, but I do think in totality, it is a little like, hey, we, like you said, when you change something up, and it's just, I think you had mentioned fatigue of he's been here so long, and the anticipation of the season like this is the year even, not even related to football, but all the other sports that we had in the spring that did so well, and then you're like, Okay, football finishes it off. Their preseason ranked, their schedule's easy. The team has all these transfers, and then it just doesn't go together. So maybe it does later in the year, and we at least be a like good, just like a solid ACC team, which in the grand Pantheon is, you know, nothing compared to Big 10 rate, you know, sec, but just for our sake, like getting a good bowl game, winning something like that, you know, like that doesn't even seem like what we're on at this point. I think we will, because our schedule, you know, allows us to, but it, I think that it's just the high expectations really lowered it, and that's why they're really upset. But I agree. I don't think that that should be a decision and and if they do finish the year not great, then, like you said, they should change the philosophy of where the team is at this point and maybe do a half reset in terms of, all right, let's get younger guys in here. Let's develop these guys. Like, you know, we can bring in transfers to fill holes for current stuff that are important. Like, let's say three offensive linemen leave, you know, I odds that you're gonna get three offensive linemen out of, you know, recruiting that are gonna start and be good immediately is not high, but maybe getting one or two that can fill a hole, for starters, and develop young guys, you know, you could, you could do that. That'd be good or defense, but, you know, as a whole, you know, yeah, needs to change something. You

Griffin Cunningham 18:12
You said something. I mean, this is sort of related to what we were talking about, but it just, kind of, I just thought of this, and this is a bold prediction that I have on the fly right now. I think Kc is going to transfer to an SEC school. Now that we're talking about that, just because, I mean, that tends to, that has happened. And I think Jimmy Gibbs,

Stone Boylan 18:35
I've never thought of that, but I feel like you're totally right. I think

Griffin Cunningham 18:39
you're totally right, that's he's what thinking of like, how they do with the transfer portal, right? And how they're able to make it work because they bring in such high level athletes. And I think the issue with NC State is, even though they're high rank transfers, they're not as good of athletes. Jordan

Stone Boylan 18:58
waters is a perfect example. I think, right, he's a solid transfer, but he's not some sort of high

Griffin Cunningham 19:03
level. He's not an NFL athlete. No. KC could be is, I think is so he is. I think there's a very good chance that we see him go to, yeah, an SEC or a Big 10 school next year to elevate his draft. I didn't

Stone Boylan 19:20
even think of that, but I think it did. The Gibbs example is perfect, if you don't know, Jamir Gibbs on the lions, first round pick, very good running back. He was at Georgia Tech, and then last year, transferred to Georgia, and so he was at Alabama or Bama, not Georgia, yeah. Bama, sorry. And obviously a few other players have done that, and, you know, history, but yeah, just for the heaven of us. That would suck, but it would, it would totally happen now, because they'd be like, Look, this is what he did as a freshman. Now they're not using him correctly, or he's, you know, this or that at the quarterback. And so I could totally see them with that being his last year, because he would probably go after that, maybe if he wants to stay another year.

To get his draft stock even higher if he has an injured year, sure, but you know, yeah, I totally didn't think about that, that that could be it, especially if they don't get it together. I think if they get it together, get him the ball and make him feel like he can reach a ceiling here, then he could stay, or if he just really enjoys the environment and the people and the coaching. But yeah, if it's if it just treads like this, i i, if I'm him, I don't know why I wouldn't think about my future and go somewhere that's better, absolutely, or Big 10 school, one of those two, it, you know, that's has some sort of success at all. And you also think of like usage, rate of usage, and how NFL scouts want to see guys that are really good, but also preserving their bodies like you as an NFL Scout, I mean, you're more likely to pick a three year player than a five year player because they have more left in the tank, most likely, and I feel like NC State is more likely to use him up than if he went to another School and was like, second fiddle or the slot guy to, I don't know whoever that Alabama receiver is at 17 year old, yeah, stuff like that. I just

Griffin Cunningham 21:10
it's gonna happen. One way it does happen, and Jameer gives is the only example I can think of off the top of my head. But I know that, yeah, it has happened with other players as well. And it's like, I don't, it's a point of controversy with like, fans is like, Well, we had him first, and then he gets drafted. And it's like, I mean, even Russell Wilson the perfect so that and, I mean, you know, they still his you walk up in tally on the third floor, his quote is literally on the wall, so clearly,

Unknown Speaker 21:39
yeah, it's,

Griffin Cunningham 21:40
uh, it's brutal. It's not fun for sports fans. I mean, that that's the that's a double edged sword, kind of, with the transfer portal, I think so I think it's, it's hurting fans and coaches.

Stone Boylan 21:52
Yeah, we, I have opinions on all that crazy stuff, but we do that another time. But, yeah, that's, that's our disappointing football team. So, yeah, no,

Griffin Cunningham 22:00
I think that that was a pretty productive conversation we just had. Well, we'll just, who are they playing next? You said,

Stone Boylan 22:09
Syracuse. I'll be, I'll be going to that game with my girlfriend. They're playing Syracuse, obviously, former Ohio State quarterback Kyle McCord is there, and they are, we are at home, and they are four and a half point favorites. It's an 8pm game, so late night game. Chance we win that is maybe 33% I'd say, off the top my head, 40. So if you want to take NC State plus four and a half be my guess. But you know, don't kill me if they don't hit it, because I wouldn't be surprised if they don't, and then after that, it's at Cal, who statistically, we are better than. But with it being on the road at Cal and seeing other teams that have had to go there because of the travel and maybe them just being at home, I would, you know, not be surprised if maybe that's a tough game or something like that, because we literally haven't won an ACC game yet. I know it's only been two, but the other games haven't really given me hope that we're gonna do a ton. So they're gonna have to prove that they can do something, and it's got to be in one of these first two games, because if not, it could just go on a trend of downwards versus, you know, all these other teams, even though they're not great, because it's Stanford, Georgia, tech, Carolina and then Duke is better than we thought at five and Oh, but they're a slightly or not five and a five and one, but they're like, a fraudulent kind of five and one, but they're still better than us at this moment. So we'll see if they can do what they did last year, and at some point be like, Okay, we turn stuff around, and it better be within the next two weeks, you

Griffin Cunningham 23:38
said, girlfriend, you're going to the game with your girlfriend this weekend. There's news to me who's who's your girlfriend? Like,

Stone Boylan 23:45
when did that happen? Uh, recent, relatively recently, like, a month or so a

Griffin Cunningham 23:50
month. Yeah, that's why I haven't heard a lot from Yeah. That's

Speaker 2 23:54
probably why I haven't texted you. Yeah? But yeah,

Stone Boylan 23:58
she's got her own hair place too. It's hair by Haley. You can look up she does extensions. Or there's any females watching? Is it listening? Probably not, but extensions and dying and stuff like that. Is this a student? Or she, No, she's not a student here, but it's in like, it's in Carey apex,

Griffin Cunningham 24:19
so got it? Yeah, somebody knew High School.

Stone Boylan 24:22
We knew each other. We didn't talk. And Gotcha. Yeah, cool, interesting. She was actually at the game last week. I wasn't at the game. She was, she was my eyes and ears, and she was like, the guy just got her and someone above me on the stands just passed out at the same time. Oh, and they had to get a stretcher for a fan, jeez. Like, right above her, she was like, does this always happen at games? I'm like, No, this is not normal. Like, this does not happen all the time or whatever. Yeah, I didn't hear about that. God,

Griffin Cunningham 24:52
interesting. We'll have to talk about that more off theater, okay, well, since we talked about football, we have. To show some love to the other sports, and we're gonna do that quick, because we want to have a little game stuff. So volleyball, they're two and two since our last check in. They beat Virginia Tech and Virginia but then lost to Cal and Stanford. Kind of expected, yeah, weird. Kind of pairing there. VT and UVA are kind of, you know, twins, and we own the talent Stanford or state, uh, men's soccer, men's soccer lost to Carolina and Duke, which is not good because, you know, in state, rival should be better in the in state, yeah, however, however, they tied number two ranked Stanford. So that's that's actually huge, even though it was zero to zero. You can look at that two ways, man, our offense sucks, or Wow, our defense is that

Stone Boylan 25:48
full or half empty? Yeah, so I will go half empty because we lost to both Carolina and Duke,

Griffin Cunningham 25:54
yeah. But holding the number two ranked soccer team in the country to zero goals is pretty cool. That's good. Just got to get some offense

Stone Boylan 26:02
going into the use

Griffin Cunningham 26:06
both of those teams, volleyball and men's soccer, play on Friday the 11th. So check them out. Women's soccer, not much to say here. They haven't won a game since September 15, so about a month ago, and they play Thursday the 10th. So I'm not really even gonna get into that right now. Maybe another time with that being said, Oh, I had one. We were talking about this before we started recording, and I wanted to ask you this on the air. So we talked about Brennan Armstrong a little bit. Do you think the 2023 football team succeeds at a higher level in 2024 than the 20 2014 did. Did I word that? Well,

Stone Boylan 26:47
so do you mean if the 2023 team, in its totality was placed in 2024 including the schedule, which I think is the biggest thing, would they be better up to this point than the 2023 or would they be better, maybe, in totality, than the 20 2014

Griffin Cunningham 27:02
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But the competition is the 2024 teams as well, not just the schedule. Yeah. So what do you think?

Stone Boylan 27:10
I think? I think, yeah, which is weird. I agree beginning was the issue, but the beginning last year was not like this. It just wasn't like we were losing 10 to three score games at home versus a ranked Louisville team. You know where we're right there winning in that horrible game sucked, dude. It was the parent that was a family night game. Everyone went there. They were all disappointed. It was

Griffin Cunningham 27:39
Bill cowers Ring of Honor and action, like Coach towers here watching this crap, like, terrible, embarrassing. And

Stone Boylan 27:46
then I went to all the other stuff with all the great teams we beat. But like, Those games are happening where you're like, Oh my God, our defense is so good. We just need to fix this or that. And then we go on a run this one. It's like, so nothing, just barely anything, to be good at. So I, weirdly enough, I do think last team, even though I think the offense with this one would probably be better, the offensive line seems like it's playing better, the names and the faces and the players just feel offensively better, but it's not really working, because I think the defense last year was just a lot better. And I think we had obviously the best defensive player in the country, which did a ton. So yeah, I would say 2023 would be better.

Griffin Cunningham 28:27
Something, something to think about. I also I would say that I think CJ Bailey would look better with last year's team than this year's team. Yeah, better than MJ Morris.

Stone Boylan 28:36
I never really liked MJ Morse when he was there. But I think people who I guess would know me, would be like, well, then you probably don't like CJ either. But that's not true. I do think CJ is, like, definitely better than MJ was just watching and seeing they're just both raw, but, you know, I agree. I think CJ would be

Griffin Cunningham 28:53
better. Yeah, you can't not give a six, seven running quarterback a shot. I mean, especially when he hasn't

Stone Boylan 28:59
looked terrible throwing. Yeah, he's been inconsistent, but he's made some good throws. We

Griffin Cunningham 29:03
give him a little bit more leniency. Yeah, some

Unknown Speaker 29:06
freshmen as well. Yeah, cool.

Griffin Cunningham 29:09
So what we wanted to do first was a little bit of word association. Are you cool with that? Yeah, okay, so I guess I'll just go through a list of words that I have, and you tell me the first thing that comes into your head, okay? And then if you have some words for me, I'll do the same thing. I

Stone Boylan 29:27
have a few, probably not as much. Okay, that's all good. All

Griffin Cunningham 29:31
right. First word, extra,

Unknown Speaker 29:34
extra, in what context

Griffin Cunningham 29:37
like,

Speaker 2 29:38
Oh, they're extra. Too much, too much related to NC State sports. It's

Griffin Cunningham 29:43
just word association. Doesn't even have to like, what do you I mean? Try to anything. Try to relate it to NC State. Try to but like you say, like Patrick, then that wouldn't make any sense. You know what I mean? Og reference for people, yeah. Listening. Yeah. Patrick, try to keep it on.

Stone Boylan 30:03
I think fans, NC State, fans cool, which is not a disrespect to them, but sometimes I just don't like them, which I think people could say that for a lot, but I'm me particularly, who likes more streamlined, realistic takes and stuff. Sometimes the fans are just like, dude, like, come on. Like, what are you doing? Like, let's get real. Especially. La, the biggest thing for me was last year with MJ having him posting him as, like, our Savior, and he's going to the moon. MJ, to the moon, and posting, I just like, Dude, watch the game. Man, come on. But that's the first thing probably that comes to my mind. I

Griffin Cunningham 30:38
like that answer. DJ, burns. Come on, it's

Stone Boylan 30:41
got to be the horn. I love. I was gonna say it's but I, I mean, there's no way. It's gotta be burns, which Funny enough, throughout the season, the regular season, because I remember you had made a point too, which it wasn't wrong, but it did not look amazing after the fact of, like, burns and like how good he really is, but consist consistently, like he horn was during the majority of the season. Like you would say, probably the better player. Burns was just more well known because of his stature and personality. But then come tournament time. I mean, when they won a game, it was because Burns was, was doing some crazy

Griffin Cunningham 31:19
bucket. There was there was, I think the game against Oakland was more horn, yeah. So, I mean, like, yeah, not to get into that too much, but I think the point that I had made last year was that

Stone Boylan 31:34
they're not gonna win with burns being the focal point of the offense, which was like, half right and half wrong. Well, I know you also question is, like efficiency was defensive efficient? He's not like a defender exactly, which wasn't the case. But at the end of the day, I think a lot of other people just ended up stepping up. And then he also exploded a little bit more in terms of making all these crazy turnaround shots and all that jazz or whatever. But he's the biggest personality, so I love horn, and Horn, actually, I think, not saying it, but when I met horn, he was much nicer, and literally, I saw him do a bunch of stuff, signing a ton of stuff, and really caring about the fans, not the same DJ, doesn't I just think sometimes, you know, DJ was partying, everything is like, Alright, I'm ready to go. Like, let's, let's get it here, because so many people want to you, did we're saying burns, sorry, burns, yeah, burns. But yeah, my brain forgot. But Horne did kind of, you know, I feel like a lot of times he would stay and sign a bunch of stuff and then really care and all that, but both of them are awesome. I'll go burn. So, yeah, I

Griffin Cunningham 32:32
like that. You said that. I think some of Horn's personality flew under the radar because of burns, but horn is a Raleigh native, so yeah,

Stone Boylan 32:39
I know people that I worked with that literally played basketball with them when they were, like, in middle school and high school.

Griffin Cunningham 32:45
Yeah, cool, loser, loser, us,

you and me.

Okay,

Stone Boylan 32:57
loser, I gotta say it maybe because it's only on my mind, but probably football football fans, because I think fans are taking some heat. Well, not they are losers, but the football program right now is losers, and it's affecting the football fans, because we go from one of the best seasons in terms of collective sports in the spring that we ever had with basketball, both men and women, baseball, cross country, wrestling, volleyball. Didn't, you know, win a ton at the end, but they had a big win, one of the biggest wins they've ever had in the regular season in you know, all of that. And then it leads up to okay football, here's all the expectations, like, here's everything, and then they are just currently falling flat. And even if they get better, they're not going to make up for, you know, the losses that they have sustained and all that. So I would say football program at this at this moment, is the first thing I think of

Griffin Cunningham 34:06
winner,

Stone Boylan 34:07
winner.

Man,

I would say Kevin Keats is the first thing, both obviously with the team, but also himself, because going into the year, which, per him, personally, is such a he's a great dude. Just to on the podium talking with after, even if it's really I've never had a full conversation, but just quick bursts of stuff, like in UF two, I think we both can echo. He's a great dude. But obviously them going on that in I don't think people understand. They I will always make it, you know, when something happens and you're there, you're always going to make it a bigger deal, maybe that when it really is. I think it would be hard for me to do that if I tell how good this team was 1015, five years from now, because they were just not expected at all. The run of system. Doric, and he saved his job. He basically saved his job, because if they didn't win, I think two ACC tournament games, he would have been gone. So the one would they should have won, but if they lost after that, he would have been out. So I think he's a winner in terms of him saving his job, doing making it all the way to the Final Four, and getting a lot of extra money, because he got a lot of extra pay and just incentive based extension, literally. So he got an extension based on him winning, and then another one based on them wanting to keep him there. So I'd say Keats is the first one. I think of,

Griffin Cunningham 43:01
only a few more

rapid fire, metal, metal,

Unknown Speaker 43:10
cross country, Lenovo, Lenovo,

Griffin Cunningham 1:01:33
hit that one. Yeah. So the idea would be first person to get five in a row would win. And

only a couple months left in the semester. So feel like it's a good time to maybe bring that out. Anything you want to add?

Stone Boylan 1:01:46
Stone, no, I'm all good. Those are some good, good questions. Go support football because they need it, but don't bet on them. I promise you please. I might do that because I'm gonna fall victim. But you know, it's possible to turn around, because I witnessed it last year. So that, and then go support other sports as well, because men's soccer, while they did lose those two games, they still were on high and then, you know, we still got volleyball and everything. Who is up and down, but their ups can be, can be pretty high. So we've got a lot of different sports.

Griffin Cunningham 1:02:18
Great. Well, thanks for watching light of red

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