Light it Red

Griffin Cunningham 0:11
Welcome back to Light it Red. We are so back, we took a we took a week off, just to regroup. And, you know, it's that time of year.

Griffin Cunningham 0:19
But really quickly, before we get in anything, we just want to address the elephant in the room Patrick has took a permanent leave of absence he is taking a step back to focus on some other projects. And you know, we're, we're wishing him the best with those with those projects. And, you know, it was good while it lasted. So it's just me and Stone now, but, you know, I think that's going to work well Stone and I we're friends, so I'm not worried about it.

Stone Boylan 0:46
I think we're excited for the dynamic and how everything is gonna go. And yeah, I'm excited.

Griffin Cunningham 0:53
Yeah, real real Mike, Mike and Mike vibes. Yeah. ESPN. Yeah.

Griffin Cunningham 1:00
Well, for today's episode, we, we have a lot we want to talk about, we really want to get into the juicy stuff with football and basketball. It's just, it's a it's that time.

Stone Boylan 1:10
Yeah.

Griffin Cunningham 1:11
You know, like, football is got important games left on the schedule. Basketball just started. We're right in the sweet spot. We're taking finals. Like, we're all over the place. But we're going to try to get through some of the smaller bits first, and then and then we'll save those good ones for the end there.

So we'll just kind of riff off each other. I guess. We don't have to go around the table anymore. But

Stone Boylan 1:36
So we're gonna get into football, basketball, like you said, so let's start off with the crap that we've watched. For the past. Like

Griffin Cunningham 1:45
the crap is insane.

Stone Boylan 1:47
It's true.

Griffin Cunningham 1:48
No, it's been a tough year for soccer. Exactly. It's disappointing. Not not like crapping on the players, just like team, like record wise. Just looking at it overall, like disappointing, you know, for both. Well, I mean, personally, I didn't have a good time going to those games very much either. But that's that's just my personal. I don't know. It's, do you like watching losses? It's kind of hard. No, I don't like watching losses, and I don't like sitting you know, it seemed to just rain every time I went really? That didn't help. The one game we went to verse Wake Forest, which Wake Forest was like, it was men's soccer. Wake Forest was like number six in the country. And they just like obliterated us like, yeah, there's no chance was even close. It wasn't no, no, those games weren't very competitive. To be fair, though. They ended it off before they got blown out like pretty, you know, respectively, like we kind of had a little bit of help. We had tied Clemson one to one and we tied Syracuse one to one, which both teams were very good. And were ranked in men's soccer. So we had some hope going into the ACC tournament, which we were near the bottom. So we ended up playing Syracuse in the first round. So we're like, Okay, well, we just tied them so maybe we could win. And then we lost five to nothing. Right? First Yeah. ACC tournament. So

Stone Boylan 3:05
yeah, those expectations went up a little bit and then when right all the way back down, skyrocketed, like and then fell all the way they got rid of coach Kiefer, yeah. Unfortunate for for him. It said it was a mutual parting. Yeah. Which I you know, I agree. i We i had interviewed him. I liked him. He was nice. He seemed to really care about the players and stuff. Just results

Griffin Cunningham 3:24
He was all about that, that grit. Yeah, he was like, not real, not real X's and O's guy more of like, I

Stone Boylan 3:31
asked him like, question about strategy for the next game. He's like, no, I'm worried about developing these guys. Yeah, growing them, meeting their families like alright, well, that's cool. But you are going to be like your teams not good? So yeah, maybe that speaks for himself. But as a character. I thought he was good.

Griffin Cunningham 3:47
Yeah no he's seemed I, I interviewed him a couple times over the last two years. And he seemed like a good guy. But we'll see who they bring in now. Hopefully, some kind

Stone Boylan 3:55
I kinda want, yeah, maybe someone young. Build it, built it back up because we seem to need that. Even just the season like, overall. I mean, it's very poor. Oh, six and one on the road. We had one ACC win, which is the Boston College who was the worst team in the ACC. We were tied for the most goals allowed in the ACC. And as you said, we parted with our head coach after seven years and his record guess his record. Well as his record, yeah, it's on the computer so you can easily see it. But haven't you guess, pretending like you didn't see

Griffin Cunningham 4:28
if I didn't see it? Over these past few years, they haven't been very good. So I would say you said before, I think it'd be lower. I think it'd be below 500

Stone Boylan 4:35
Which he was exactly 500. So I guess there was some sort of decent seasons in the beginning or good seasons because we were not. We've been way below 500 the past two so maybe he started strong. Seems like they fell off and now he's he's gone but programs still trying to get back to where they were in the 90s where they went to the tournament eight of the last 10 years during that decade and they won the College World Cup in 1990. So we'll see if a new head coach can do that.

Griffin Cunningham 5:03
Well, that's that's men's soccer. Let's talk about women's soccer.

Stone Boylan 5:09
Oh, it's really different. Yeah, super, super different. So the last game you know how we lost five, nothing to Syracuse for men's right. So women's was cool, too. We lost five nothing to Florida State as well as

Griffin Cunningham 5:18
That was in the regular season.

Stone Boylan 5:20
Yeah not even the tournament, because we didn't make the tournament.

Griffin Cunningham 5:23
Nope.

Stone Boylan 5:23
Didn't qualify it.

Griffin Cunningham 5:24
No, no, that was I wrote Womp womp

Stone Boylan 5:27
womp womp

Griffin Cunningham 5:29
it was, oh, well, it was a tough season for pretty much

Stone Boylan 5:32
Like I said, it's pretty much the same. We were bottom three in win percentage. Second most goals allowed, two ACC wins instead of one. So girls beat the guys on that. But overall, not this season for soccer for NC State.

Griffin Cunningham 5:46
Nope. And that's okay.

Stone Boylan 5:49
Because not every you can be good at everything.

Griffin Cunningham 5:50
Right. We're so good at everything else.

Stone Boylan 5:53
Because the next thing that we're good in is cross country.

Griffin Cunningham 5:56
We are yeah no I'm not being sarcastic about cross country.

Stone Boylan 5:59
I'm saying like yeah, like leading on to it like we're we're like really good.

Griffin Cunningham 6:03
Yeah, cross country. They're in their postseason right now. They just want to win. Do they have their the regionals are on the 10th. So that's coming up real soon. And then the NCAA championship is on November 18. But right now, they just finished the ACC championship. Our men did not place on the podium. Our best finish was Zack Hughes at 28. There are a couple other top 50 finishers just four total top 50 finishers for the men in the 8k. In the 6k, Touhy, Katelyn Touhy finished first, Kelsey Chmiel finished third, Leah Stephens finished eighth. Samantha Bush finished 11th. And then we had I think Quarzo, and Hartman finished 14 and 19. So quite a few top 20 finishes there, obviously two podium finishes with first and third. So that's, I mean, that's a good sign for what's to come, they just, you know, ate up an ACC championship for women. So three-peat loading, is what I'm thinking

Stone Boylan 7:10
Would be ideal. And then volleyball has had some games, the past, it's been two weeks since we did an episode and we were previewing Duke and UNC before that, we ended up losing to Duke on the road, very close game two to three. But then we ended up beating UNC three to one that was a very good road win for us. Even if Carolina isn't anything crazy. They're like mid of the ACC it's good to win on the road, because winning on the road in volleyball seems pretty hard. And then after that, we played two more games, Boston College, we ended up losing at home two to three, which was a really bad home loss because Boston College is someone that we obviously are trying to surpass. They're not this big team in the ACC they're kind of towards the bottom. So that was very bad. And then we took care of business for as Syracuse three nothing. And Syracuse is like the worst. I don't mean, I don't know if they've won a game in volleyball to be honest, in the ACC, they're very bad. So at least we took care of what we were supposed to do with the bad teams. But we have our revenge against Boston College up coming on November 10, and then we play Virginia Tech before our final games of the season versus Clemson which is the final home game. And then the final game in general, versus Virginia, all of our opponents have a worse record than state. So ideally, we could maybe at least go three and one in those four games to you know, get out of this stagnant run that we've had. Because we've kind of just been like, up and down. Like we win, we lose, we win, we lose. We're currently five and five in our last 10 games. So if we can maybe finish off on the three four game win streak, that'll be good finishing the season and going into tournament play.

Griffin Cunningham 8:52
Yeah, I I feel like we spent a lot of time this semester talking about volleyball and I, I've had a couple of things that I've had to write for, for the yearbook about them and I I was really pushing for it. And now I'm just so like unenthused by this team like I I just can't lose these five, five set games. Like, it seems like they fall apart towards the end every time it gets to like, set five, you know, you got to really finish it off. It's I don't know it's the team has the potential to be a top five team but then is losing games to Boston College. Yeah, and losing, losing to Duke. It's like, if you're really I mean, if you really made for it, you're going to win those games and I just don't think they're there yet. So I was really optimistic earlier a few weeks ago.

Stone Boylan 9:40
Well I mean, even then we before that we beat Louisville.

Griffin Cunningham 9:43
That's what I was hearing that top five when really it was like, okay, this is the moment and then they were like, yeah, like we're gonna go beat Florida State in Miami and then we're going to host Pitt and beat them and they're ranked and they lost all of them

Stone Boylan 9:54
Because we went to the Pitt game and they it wasn't even close at all like it was the worst loss we ever had

Griffin Cunningham 9:59
It was bad and we didn't even get our what was it? Chick fil A

Stone Boylan 10:03
Yeah a frickin sandwich. If you listen to that episode, it was a horrible day. It was one of the worst day

Griffin Cunningham 10:07
It just wasn't. It just wasn't going anyone's way. And it was not our fault.

Stone Boylan 10:11
But like I said, we play bad teams. So hopefully we can finish off strong, and maybe they'll re reinvigorate you to maybe win surprise some people in the tournament.

Griffin Cunningham 10:21
Right? Um, yeah, I mean, they didn't make the tournament last year. So a tournament appearance would just be I mean, that would really kind of solidify this as a successful season. So hoping that that's, that's what we'll get out of this. I'm not expecting a deep run or anything like that. But they deserve a chance to play for something. So those are those are some of our fall sports that are wrapping up we are in winter now. Not technically. Are we in winter, like seasonally?

Stone Boylan 10:49
Yeah, I would say yes. 100%. For November or actually, no. It's December, January, February, especially in North Carolina, because the coldest month is honestly like, January or February all the time. Yeah. But winter sports season, yeah.

Griffin Cunningham 11:05
It is winter sports season, except for gymnastics. I don't actually know when they start. They they their season runs a little bit later than the rest of them. Like they run into like March or something like April even. But yeah, um, the last no, the last day of fall is actually my birthday. Your birthday? December.

Stone Boylan 11:21
When's your birthday?

Griffin Cunningham 11:22
20th, December

Stone Boylan 11:23
2oth? Mines 14.

Griffin Cunningham 11:26
So we both Sagittarius is that what that means

Stone Boylan 11:29
I don't follow any of that stuff at all.

Griffin Cunningham 11:32
Well, that would I mean, I think that would be a good thing. That would mean our chemistry is probably on the up.

Stone Boylan 11:37
That makes sense. Yeah. Makes sense. Why? That's why it's why we are the two people speaking. Anyways, yeah. What about wrestling.

Griffin Cunningham 11:49
Wrestling, because it's a winter sport. They've played two games on the road, but against Presbyterian and App state, those are two programs.

Stone Boylan 11:58
Presbyterian? So where are they?

Griffin Cunningham 12:00
I don't know. Why would you ask me that?

Oh, no, I never heard of that.

I know where App State is

Stone Boylan 12:05
Yeah, me too. I have friends there.

Griffin Cunningham 12:07
Yeah, I don't.

Stone Boylan 12:08
Nice.

Griffin Cunningham 12:09
Yeah. But they beat they beat both those teams. So those aren't those aren't super. I mean, it's early season stuff. We're good at wrestling.

Stone Boylan 12:18
Yes. Cross country and wrestling. Really, really, really good.

Griffin Cunningham 12:21
We with it. With that?

Stone Boylan 12:23
Yeah we with it

Griffin Cunningham 12:24
We with it. But they got some stuff coming up. It's called Wrangle Mania are the names of these

Stone Boylan 12:29
Sounds awesome

Griffin Cunningham 12:29
The names of these wrestling meets are the best Wrangle Mania, Journeymen Collegiate Classic and Armbar at the Armor Armory. Like those are cool. Those are like probably Chat GPT generated but they're cool.

That does sound like and AI

They sound goofy, but I like it. Those are all taking place from the 11th to the 17th. So we're not hosting but you know, check those out. Also, swimming and diving is going on. We just hosted Georgia and Duke at the same time. Our men's team beat Georgia and Duke. And the women's team beat Duke but loss against Georgia. So

Stone Boylan 13:13
Three in one total. Pretty good

Griffin Cunningham 13:15
Three in one total. We have

Stone Boylan 13:17
the key is we own Duke so that's

Griffin Cunningham 13:19
Right. Swimming and diving. I think. I think last year swimming diving champions was Cal.

Stone Boylan 13:24
Really?

Griffin Cunningham 13:25
Yeah. So ACC school.

Stone Boylan 13:27
Oh, yeah now now there'll be an ACC school

Griffin Cunningham 13:28
Yeah. So it's gonna get more competitive soon. Anyhow, we have the GAC Invitational at Greensboro on the 16th. So swimming and diving in full swing. We will host we don't host a lot of swimming and diving meets. So when we do we will we will have to probably check that out in like February, I think is when that is when we made it through that part. Let's talk about women's basketball who are actually playing as we record

Griffin Cunningham 13:28
Yeah, unfortunately we can't talk about them, like in terms of having a game already done. But next episode that we'll do in two weeks. We'll they would have played obviously a good amount of games. So ideally, we'd have a good opinion of them beforehand.

Stone Boylan 13:28
Yeah, they're playing Charlotte right now. A game that I wanted to be at because that's my I am I an alumni of Charlotte because I went there for a year

No

Griffin Cunningham 14:23
What does alumni mean?

Stone Boylan 14:24
Like you graduated?

Griffin Cunningham 14:26
I don't think that's what that means. Right? You know what that mean? I think just because I went there that means I'm an alumnus, alum alumnus right now alumni.

Stone Boylan 14:36
You're the English major I don't know.

Griffin Cunningham 14:38
I think alumnus is plural.

Griffin Cunningham 14:39
I'm one person. I'm one man. Alumnus. I wanted to be at that game. We played them last year and cooked them real good.

Stone Boylan 14:47
I mean, we will again cuz

Griffin Cunningham 14:48
yeah, we got season opener

Stone Boylan 14:50
Good players.

Griffin Cunningham 14:51
A lot of new players too. But I want I'm gonna be at the one on the 12th on Sunday against UConn I gotta see AP All American Paige Becker

Stone Boylan 14:59
Honestly, might go to that game just for UConn purposes because they have obviously this crazy dynasty but Paige Becker's and there's some really good collegiate talent for women's basketball that is like going into the WNBA. That's like, clearly the next generation for them. And they're like, getting a ton of hype in college, which, which they deserve, which is cool. So, hopefully we can, you know,

Griffin Cunningham 15:23
I think Paige is on our third knee, though.

Stone Boylan 15:25
Unfortunately

Griffin Cunningham 15:26
Those knees are not. I don't know. I mean, she's still all Americans. So like

Stone Boylan 15:30
Sports are hard

Griffin Cunningham 15:31
It is? She's no, Caitlin Clark. You know, she, we beat them last year, we beat Iowa on the road last year.

Stone Boylan 15:38
That was great

Griffin Cunningham 15:39
Yeah.

Stone Boylan 15:39
Hopefully we can do that again.

Griffin Cunningham 15:41
I don't think they're on our schedule.

Stone Boylan 15:42
Oh, well, maybe if we see them in the tournament, right.

Griffin Cunningham 15:44
If we see that that'd be I don't know about that.

Stone Boylan 15:47
But we're foreshadowing it right now. Yeah.

Griffin Cunningham 15:49
Well, before we I mean, we will be back for a while. So we're gonna have Charlotte Yukon, Elon and Rhode Island all played by our next recording. So basketball season. Buckle up, because they go fast. They have a lot of games more than the rest of the sports. Let's talk about men's basketball because you and I went to the exhibition game against what was the theme? I don't even though what was the exit?

Stone Boylan 16:13
Couldn't tell you completely forgot

Griffin Cunningham 16:15
Mount Olive.

Stone Boylan 16:16
Yeah. Olive something

Griffin Cunningham 16:18
And then we played last night.

Stone Boylan 16:20
The Citadel?

Griffin Cunningham 16:21
The Citadel.

Stone Boylan 16:22
Yeah, they're the team that like plays every single big college all the time for some reason. Like before the season which props to them.

Griffin Cunningham 16:28
They only lost by 10. Right?

Stone Boylan 16:31
No 72 to 59.

Griffin Cunningham 16:33
That's basically 10 if you round

Stone Boylan 16:36
If you round? What do you?

Griffin Cunningham 16:37
I'm not a math major.

Stone Boylan 16:39
It's a pretty big. Okay, well, I went to the game.

Griffin Cunningham 16:44
I know you did.

Stone Boylan 16:45
Yeah. And

Griffin Cunningham 16:48
Well talk about what you thought about the exhibitions.

Stone Boylan 16:50
Oh, the exhibition. It was. We were I mean, yeah, I wasn't. I was kind of disappointed. I was like, why are we not like they were too close.

Griffin Cunningham 17:00
Who were you disappointed in?

Stone Boylan 17:01
Well we were kind of crapping on one player because he did not look good. And it was Mr. Mr. O'Connell?

White Chocolate

Yeah, white chocolate Michael O'Connell.

Griffin Cunningham 17:13
I don't even think he's white chocolate. I think they call Middlebrooks white chocolate

Stone Boylan 17:14
Oh, well, middle I really liked Middlebrooks. Yeah, I'll get into I actually really like him even I think he's should get more minutes. But yeah, Michael O'Connell, he did not look good in the. He was starting in the exhibition game. And he looks really bad. Had turnovers couldn't pass. And I was like, he needs to go to the bench. I don't know. I don't know what he's doing starting

Griffin Cunningham 17:18
Worthless.

Stone Boylan 17:18
And so then the starting lineup for the Citadel game, which was our first game is Casey Morsell, DJ Horne, Jayden Taylor, DJ Burns and then Mr. Diarra. Is that how you say it? Diarra, Diarra. Diarra and O'Connell didn't start, and I was okay well, that's probably best, but he played about the same amount of minutes as Taylor did, who was starting over him. And Jade was it Jayden Taylor. Yep. Did I say that correctly? Yeah. And O'Connor was awesome. Like, he was the only guy that can make a three. He was Four for five from three had some awesome assists. He had seven assists. So he led the team and assists with second end points. So I don't know what it wasn't the exhibition game. Maybe he wasn't really needed, maybe he needed to get the rust off, but he was a huge standout. And Burns is obviously the second one. I know you have your opinions on Burns that we'll get into, but it's, you're right, you would. Griffin had told me before I was obviously looking up all this stuff. And I knew DJ burns. But when you see him his playstyle was like so much different than what do you think you would be like you think he'd be Shaq? But he's like, so he's so soft at the rim with his touch, which is good for shots, but it was mostly like mid range. He was hitting like a ton of mid range shots just in guy's face right there. And he ended up having 16 points was not even really trying to get all these boards either. And defensively, he had a block and two steals. And he wasn't really trying to play defense either. He was kind of just there like they were avoiding him when he was in the paint. And I love the Burn Burns in Diarra combo because Diarra was awesome. He was awesome. He missed a few threes. They let him take a few more. I think he was two for six. But he had 14 rebounds, 10 assists, only one foul, and he was in the paint a lot because he had three blocks. So that's crazy efficient. He was awesome. And honestly, even just watching the game, I didn't really think anyone was really bad. And I know it's weird because we only won by 13. So you'd think that we win by way more, but it was honestly just because in the second half they came back because we were kind of like okay, this game's over. So to be honest, we probably won realistically by like 20 plus, but I don't really come away, thinking like, okay, like we need this player needs to work on stuff. Only one was Horne because he missed a lot of shots. And I think DJ Horne is going to be the guy that we're trying to see as like, hey, this is our Smith from last year. He's a transfer from Arizona State. And he shot two for 12. But he had six rebounds, four assists was all over the place. And I'm not, I'm not too worried. He didn't. He wasn't like a very poor shooter at Arizona State. So I think he'll get it together. But honestly, everyone else looks looks pretty good. And Middlebrooks off the bench I really love. Nick is an awesome energy guy. He doesn't fit the statute at all. But four points, three steals, an assist, and to be honest, he was really good on the perimeter as a defender, because he's really tall as a forward, but he can actually move. You know, unlike Burns, or Diarra, he's more agile so he can guard on the perimeter for maybe some taller wings that can shoot. So I think we have a lot of good solid pieces on the team. And I, I do if you don't know I have this other podcast that I do. That's my own. And I'm like, bringing out these rankings for each for each conference. And I have stayed at six. And I think state is one of the more hard teams to place because they have so many transfers that are coming in and we want to see how they mesh to see how the team will do. And I think they could finish anywhere from like the fourth team of the ACC to like the eighth or ninth. So I put them in the middle at like six. But from what I saw, I'm not really upset with any certain player. Like, they all seem like they play the roles they looked pretty good only thing was free throws. We weren't really hitting, which was kind of weird. And other players that normally hit threes didn't. And I expect them to eventually hit them to where it'll even out. But even at that point, we still shot 35% from three, which is pretty good. It's just some of the personal fouls we need to work on because we had 20 fouls, which was pretty bad. So I would say fouls and free throws, pretty much the only thing and those can be fixed. So I I don't want to lead people on. But I'd say that you could have a little bit of optimism with the team in the ACC.

Griffin Cunningham 22:19
Yeah. Well, I'm glad that O'Connell kind of turned up. Because, yeah, I mean, what he needs to be for this team is, is exactly what he was, he needs to be a guy who can knock down a three and dif the ball. He doesn't need to be anything more. We already have plenty guys who can score, rebound block. Just be just be the point guard basically. And I don't think I mean, there wasn't a lot of confidence after the exhibition game, which is why Taylor was inserted into the lineup because Taylor is a really, really good player,

Stone Boylan 22:51
Super active super super active

Griffin Cunningham 22:53
On both ends of the floor.

Stone Boylan 22:55
I think I honestly prefer him starting because I think O'Connor Connell can be really, really good off the bench, but still playing the same amount of minutes. They both got 26 minutes. And Taylor can be the active defender and more athletic and then O'Connell can come in when they need more. Like you know, passing and efficiency and just leading the point if maybe Horne or Morsell are coming out of the game.

Griffin Cunningham 23:22
Yeah. Yeah, I think the personnel is it'll work itself out. There's so many good players on this team. Like what Ross, Ernest Ross didn't even get in the game. He had a huge role on the team last year

Stone Boylan 23:36
Pass, pass didn't really get Thomas so we're deep. We're pretty deep and I liked the starters we just need someone to break out and I think it's possible that Burns could do that Horne could do that, Morsell all those guys even Diarra I think Diarra is gonna be one of the more underrated players on the team. He was an awesome

Griffin Cunningham 23:55
He's a baller. Three blocks, 14 rebounds. He's he's gonna get his, but did you any MJ rice sighting at this game?

Stone Boylan 24:04
No, I was gonna bring that up. If you didn't listen to our episode a few weeks ago, we had gone over players for basketball that we were excited about. And I brought up MJ Rice because he was really pretty relatively high recruit went to Kansas didn't get a lot of time and transferred here. We're like, okay, this can be like, almost essentially like a free recruit who's like a four star borderline five star. And he didn't get in the game at all. I'm not 100% sure if he was even on the sidelines, I wasn't able to see or it didn't look up so I don't want to just talk out of my ass right now. But I didn't he wasn't in the game, and I don't remember seeing him over there. So I'm, I'm kind of concerned and confused about what's going on there.

Griffin Cunningham 24:45
Yeah, I didn't I mean, I we didn't see him at the exhibition. He wasn't on the bench at the exhibition game. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't It's not up to me to speculate on it. But it's I mean, it sucks because Dennis Parker is kind of you know that that wing, that tall wing player that can do everything but I think Rice is really like a piece that this team is going to miss because maybe not that they had him to miss. But if he was on the team like if he was on the floor, I think his contributions are going to be invaluable as like a 6 6'7" wing guy like

Stone Boylan 25:21
yeah, he would honestly be a mix of Middlebrooks and Taylor, but someone who can start. Right Middlebrooks, he has the size and is able to play like Middlebrooks, but he's like Taylor, where he's super athletic, and has the potential to make shots. So that's kind of disappointing.

Griffin Cunningham 25:39
Yeah, I really hope that that situation works itself out. Did you want me to talk about DJ Burns?

Stone Boylan 25:46
Yeah, cuz you go for it yeah. What do you Well, well, you could convince me I'm just saying when I watched I'm like, like, he literally scored the first like, six points. He didn't miss a shot the first half, like you score the first six, I can see where he may have flaws. But if he can do that, just like hit these mid range shots with guys in his face, then. I mean, he's, he's gonna be a stud. Yeah, I mean, that is if obviously

Griffin Cunningham 26:11
No, I mean, he's a he's a very unique player with a unique build, and I think that's, I mean, it's Kevin, Kevin Keatts job to, to kind of cater to his strengths, and minimize his weaknesses. So like, his strengths are scoring. Right? He has a good touch. However, his weaknesses sometimes to me, outweigh his strengths. And I that's not it's just when when we get behind an athlete, like how we have behind DJ burns just as like, a student body, it scares me because he's a very, he's a very flawed player, like, he's, he's heavy, he's not quick, he fouls. He's a defensive liability. So I wish there wasn't pressure to have him in the lineup if you have guys like Middlebrooks and Diarra and Ross who can go and do his job, but in a more efficient way. Like, I just, it makes me worried and I know he scored the most points on the team 16 which is great. But it was his fault that we lost to Creighton in the tournament. Like I mean, I can't solely, that's not that's not hyperbole. Yeah. Like that is but it was his It was mostly his fault, he's a big man. So that's why they go out and get these two other bigs. But Burns is still like the face of the team. So you have to work around that and have these three and then Ross Ross, who deserves playing time isn't going to get playing time.

Stone Boylan 27:37
I understand. I You're, You're right. You're not wrong. Because I know what you mean, because he had a few fouls, where I'm like, What are you doing? Like what that was that could have been easily avoided, you know? And then on defense, I think the thing that made it better is that Diarra was in there, because Diarra is getting all the rebounds. And if Burns can just be a guy in the paint where if a team is a little bit smaller, they just don't want to go in because he just has to be there and contest. It doesn't even have to really be obviously he can jump but isn't have to put forth so much effort on defense because he could just be there. And even when we might require him to Diarra was awesome. And he can maybe fill that role. So I think the you're not wrong, because if Diaraa wasn't there, that would be a problem. But I think if Diarra and Middlebrooks can get more, obviously more playing time and help him out in that aspect be on the court at the same time as him, then we can utilize Burns, being awesome around the rim and hitting these shots and putting them in a position to where he's not always getting fouled in the paint. Or he's not in a position where he's, like, getting exposed defensively, like specifically just him in the paint. So that you're not wrong. It's just Keatts needs to, like you said cater to his strengths and I think in the exhibition he did that. And Burns took advantage of it, but I do know what you mean anytime he got the ball, the place like went crazy, like they would share so hard for him when he got the ball which it's hard not to because, you know, like you said he's a unique physique he's a cool guys, like, you know, seems pretty chill and he's a starter. He's a good player. It's just, you know, he does have his flaws. And I think, like I said, Diarra Middlebrooks can be there to help Burns excel even more. But I still view Horne as the guy that I want. As being the leader and the guy want to be the best. Like if I were to pick a guy to be the best player on this team, I would pick Horne and he needs to do that. Obviously the first game he didn't I think he'll bounce back. But I think he's the key to take over Smith's role because we're deeper, I think, than last year's team. We had a ton of transfers that got in a lot of them can play. We're just missing the top player, which is was Terquavion last year and he carried them in the Creighton game and if Horne can do that, then this team, this team could be even better than what they were last year, which last year was a huge improvement because Keatts was on the hot seat. And he got a ton of transfers did the same thing this year. And hopefully they can be similar and make the tournament because that's the goal, I think, is just get into the dance. And anything can happen after that. But ACC. They're in this weird bubble with teams like Wake Forest and Pit and Virginia Tech. And I guess if you want to throw Florida State in there that could make the tournament. But might slip out Syracuse's in there as well. I think they're higher up on that list. But if, you know, there could definitely be players on other teams that skyrocket and become stars. And we're just like a solid team. And maybe they jump past us. But ideally, I would, I would say the goal, would you do the same thing we did last year, but maybe a little higher seed maybe a 10 seed would be would be pretty cool.

Griffin Cunningham 31:04
Yeah, and just to clarify, take what I'm saying about Burns as with a grain of salt, because I like him a lot. Like as a person. I'm just saying like, don't be surprised if he gets taken out in a game against like, Duke.

Stone Boylan 31:18
Exactly.

Griffin Cunningham 31:19
When you have like just athletic guys tall guys, guys that are gonna attack him, like, it's so easy as an opposing coach to, to get Burns out of a game, I feel like

Stone Boylan 31:29
Like if they have a stretch for five that Burns has to be on, then there's gonna be a problem because he's gonna have to go to the perimeter. And all you could do is either shoot because he can't get there quick enough or pump fake and go drive in and get a foul. And it's all going to be on Diarra and they might, you know, get him in foul trouble. So Burns definitely have to play better. But I think that's why we brought him Middlebrooks as well, because Middlebrooks can play a similar role on the four except he can go out and guard the perimeter. So again, it's honestly all up to Keatts. And along with how our bigs play, and I mean, again, it's and basketball itself is becoming more of a, you know, three point league, I think college basketball is a little not behind, because I still like the sport of basketball as it is right now, in college basketball, I honestly prefer it to the NBA, in terms of how they've gone with the three ball. But I'd say three is still extremely important. And becoming obviously more important than the mid range and stuff like that. And if you only have one player on the team that is really hitting shots, it's gonna be a problem. So, again, hopefully our guards can hit more shots, and we don't really play at least we're gonna go over upcoming games, we don't really play any relative ACC teams till like January, to be honest. We have a few games in December, we might preview but we could do that next episode. The ones that will be before then are just like Abilene Christian, or Charleston Southern. So those will probably be similar. Maybe you could just see the only thing I would look at is the fouls and then how Horne plays that pretty much be it.

Griffin Cunningham 33:10
Yeah. Well, moving away from basketball, lets talk about football, because football is the talk around the town right now. Ever since we had that Duke game we we stopped talking on our podcast for a little bit. And they started winning games? So maybe it was us? Maybe we were the problem?

Stone Boylan 33:26
I think so. So no no I think we're the reason they even they listened to our podcast, and we're like, you know what their right. You know, let's go do this instead and that's why 100%

Griffin Cunningham 33:36
Yeah, that's probably accurate. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, you know, deny it so you had notes on the Clemson game, right, because we're gonna talk about two games we got I had everything, just everything. Yeah. Okay. Well, we got constant in Miami. So make sure you're you know, we don't have to get into every little detail about it. But we can talk about like, you know, what, what were the keys to success against Clemson? How about that? How do we win this game?

Stone Boylan 34:02
I view them both the same. Okay, to be honest. So all my stuff is like, related to both wins, just because it was two weeks since we did the podcast. So a lot of my stuff is like, related to both games, and then previewing the future. So if you have something for the Clemson game that's specific, you can go over it. But for I have, like all my stuff is just with NC State football these past two weeks, because it's different than NC State football the four weeks that were before.

Griffin Cunningham 34:33
Okay. Well, I guess before you talk about that, I'll just talk about you know, I think, against Clemson. Obviously, Clemson isn't what they once were, but they do have some talented players, I think Will Shipley getting knocked out of the game was a turning point. Because he's a huge, huge source of their offense. And I think Aiden White. I mean it just it was just the way the play kind of unfolded like Shipley got tackled on the one and White came like right behind him and like just drilled him it was legal hit too but that knocked him out of the game and Cade Klubnik Clemson's quarterback isn't going to ever like he's going to really go out there and win a game with without a talented back or receivers and so no Shipley means no win. That's what I think. And then KC Concepcion really mean, he's just been on a tear these past two weeks. He had he broke a couple big, big runs big catch and runs. And those games I think, he had a 50 yard run and like a 72 yard slant route that went to the house. So I think the offense was getting to where it needs to be there sprinkling more Brennan Armstrong in the run game, which you know, we'll touch on later because that's, that's now going to be a big storyline again. But I mean, yeah, I had a lot of game nets on this, but obviously they they win the game. They were in control of the game. They led by multiple scores at several points, and then they come away with the 24 to 17 win because of a strong defensive effort. Payton Wilson had to pick six in this game. You know, it was just an all around effort. And then we both went to Miami, we we went to Miami together. So I kind of want I want to know what you have to say about that. Because this was your first baby's first football game,

Stone Boylan 36:28
Baby's first football game. Well we went up in the press box. Because we're both I'm like a part of Agromeck. So we

Griffin Cunningham 36:37
I'm just boss

Stone Boylan 36:38
Yeah, kind of I guess whatever. Technically, which is like the, you know, they do the big yearbook and we usually do sports stuff. And it was fun. We both got in there and had food, washed the game, took notes.

Griffin Cunningham 36:53
How was, how was the food

Stone Boylan 36:55
It was. Okay.

Griffin Cunningham 36:59
Do you remember what it was

Stone Boylan 36:59
Okay. Yeah, wings, right.

Griffin Cunningham 37:01
It was like drumsticks, glizzie's, barbecue. Yeah, halftime glizzies is a stable.

Stone Boylan 37:07
Cookies were hard. Brownies. Brownies were good. Yep. I think they just they're It's mid just like every single NC State food thing around pretty much.

Griffin Cunningham 37:19
I think that it may be it may be yes, it is. But it's nice. It's nice that they do that for us. Yeah. No, it was cool. Yeah, most I mean, not. There's not one other sport on campus that caters food. I don't know. I mean, it's it's a unique experience.

Stone Boylan 37:38
Football is its own thing. You're pretty much

Griffin Cunningham 37:41
it's it's they they go all out for us. They make us and there's free drinks, you know, pretty much. And it's soda and water. But it's still like that's, you know, yeah, that's cool. It would be cool if joking. They gave us mini bar. Yeah, but that Stone and I are 20 not 21. Are you 21 or 20?

Stone Boylan 38:03
20. Yeah, well, we will be. Right next episode

Griffin Cunningham 38:06
Stone and I are turning 21.

Stone Boylan 38:07
So next episode, we will be completely different. We will be drinking during the podcast.

Griffin Cunningham 38:13
Well, well record our podcast from a Vegas casino. Yeah. Yeah. But besides the food, what was the game like the game? It was a little chilly up there. Right.

Stone Boylan 38:24
It was a little bit. I brought my sweatshirt. Yeah, I brought it. Yeah. So it was fine. But like I said, I view both these games, similar, but Miami was way better? Way, way better. I agree. It was much more impressive of a win. In my opinion, probably the most impressive win they had all season, I think, which they? As you said they completely turned it around and gave hope to all the fans. And I honestly think they saved a lot of jobs with these past two weeks, because we were there was no hope after Duke. I mean, a lot of I had already kind of seen going and after the or seen coming and then after the Duke game, I was like, okay, well, this is our schedule. Like maybe we want one of these home games. And then the next two, we have two away games, maybe we'll win one or two of them. And then we play Carolina. That's the big one if but we win both of these, which was huge. And like I said both games can be spoken about in a similar way cuz I think it's the formula for how we're winning. And it's KC and D. That's pretty much it. KC Concepcion and the defense Concepcion, Concepcion podcast, podcast favorite, that is the reason that we're winning any of these games. And all things considered what I said about the offense has been correct. Like, if there's anything they're like, that they're doing more of, it's what I'd say that when to do more of which was use motion, and also use motion not only to get KC the ball and have him move every single time to get other people moving to where you could still get KC the ball with someone else moving in motion, it just shows you what the defense is whether they're in man or zone, and it also gets them moving and confused, you can use multiple different sets with motion. And it's a super, super critical thing to use. The best offense is in the NFL, you think of the 40, Niners with Kyle Juszczyk, and you think of the dolphins, they use a ton of motion. Motion is what teams need to be using. And I credit Robert Anae because he has finally been doing that, and it's in majority with KC. Because in both games, we were out gained in yards, offensively, both of them. And yet, in the combined games, we had 25, we had a 25% third down percentage, which is very poor. Just in both games, every one in four times we got a third down, or we got first down on third down, which is very bad. And we also had less time of possession for over nine minutes in both games. So the offense is on the other team had the ball more they had more yards, they were converting more. And we were still winning. And it's because we were able to create more turnovers and get KC the ball. The defense was super dominant in key situations, especially with Miami, if we wanted to bring up that game on third and fourth down. That pretty much was the reason we won the game they had huge goal line stop against Miami that was able to prevent them from getting any sort of points. And in both games combined, we have a plus four turnover differential, which is very big, because if you win the turnover battle, nine times out of 10 You're gonna win the game. And offensively, we can get into the MJ thing. But if you haven't been listening in to the podcast, and you've been living living under a rock, I was not the biggest fan of doing it anyways, the beginning. And I said nothing would change and not to toot my own horn but looking at the numbers and everything. Nothing has changed. The only thing that's changed is the winning winning, but it's not because of him. Like as a core as Steve Smith would say, he's a Jack, he's just a guy from these past few games, maybe he could be more in the future.

Griffin Cunningham 42:18
I don't know if you want to bring Steve Smith

Stone Boylan 42:20
well, maybe we don't want to say but for analogy purposes. He has not done anything to greatly impact the game and help us from winning. It's all been KC literally all of it in the two games combined, he has 51% of the total offense. And MJ has 53% completion percentage in general. And almost more more than half of those passes are all going to KC. And a lot of them are not like these really solid throws across the field. Like they're just jet motion or runs or screens for him in the backfield. And he does this thing and it counts as a pass. So that that's one has been a majority of his yards even when he's looking at his yards. And even if you just watched the game, it's KC leading the team with rushing and receiving even during the Clemson game MJ had two turnovers. And defensively state was able to get huge goal line stops on fourth down to win the game for them. So he put them in worse situations and people just didn't want to admit it. Because they already bailed on Armstrong, which I'm not saying was a stupid idea. But I was still thinking it wasn't necessarily his fault, because there's a lot of other stuff that was going on and they weren't using KC in the ways they were now KC was not being used the same way that he was with MJ Morris.

Griffin Cunningham 43:43
Well, part of the reason they weren't they weren't using him in that way was because they were relying on Armstrong's legs and

Stone Boylan 43:48
which funny enough he was literally the leading rusher in the Miami game.

Griffin Cunningham 43:53
Right so well. I mean,

Stone Boylan 43:55
It's effective

Griffin Cunningham 43:56
This is a good transition point. Because I mean let's talk about what it was announced today that MJ Morris is going to redshirt for this season. So that means that MJ's status as an NC State quarterback is a little bit up in the air. I don't think he's gonna leave. I think he's just doing it to save a year.

Stone Boylan 44:15
I mean, I was kind of shocked. I didn't

Griffin Cunningham 44:17
I was too I pooped my pants in my class literally. No, I didn't sorry.

Stone Boylan 44:23
Yeah, you pooped your pants

Griffin Cunningham 44:25
But I was surprised. I was. I was surprised. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like things were going good but um

Stone Boylan 44:33
I tried to look into it. We'll find more info out about it later but it may have been something with there might be a mix of everything. Like maybe a mix of the coaches maybe a mix of him a mix of maybe some NIL stuff maybe transfer stuff his future here is not guaranteed. I still would bet he'd come back. But there might be a possibility where he says alright I won these games I'm gonna be out you guys have people coming in, I'm gonna go transfer and get money somewhere else that that legit might be it or it might not be we just we have no idea.

Griffin Cunningham 45:09
Right? It's developing

Stone Boylan 45:11
Yeah, it was really shocking. So we're just trying to think of a bunch of stuff and so is everyone else

Griffin Cunningham 45:15
Right? I can tell you what it does mean though is it means Brennan Armstrong, is QB one

Stone Boylan 45:19
It does, it means he's QB one. And I don't want to say I'm like happy, but I just think it's everything is gonna be the same.

Griffin Cunningham 45:28
It'll be fine.

Stone Boylan 45:29
Like, yeah, like, if we lose Wake Forest, don't freak out. Because that game, we have a chance to lose with MJ anyways, because it's a very good team and it's on the road. And we struggled to win road games, I think we'll beat Virginia Tech, that's for sure. It's in two weeks. But Wake Forest is similar to us in terms of like the caliber of opponent and it's on the road, which automatically makes it harder. So I would say the big thing would be Carolina, and we can get into that in future episodes, because that would be the next game. But that would be the big game where we're like, okay, you know, we've beaten these teams at home, these good teams at home. What can we do against Carolina, who's another good team with Armstrong, quarterback? But even just going in talking about him via that Miami game, you could easily say he made more of an impact in that game than Armstrong did, nd you wouldn't be lying.

Griffin Cunningham 46:20
You mean, Armstrong made more?

Stone Boylan 46:22
Armstrong made more of an impact than MJ did. He then I would say I was I would personally say that

Griffin Cunningham 46:27
I mean, there was like a 97 year drive that was fueled by his runs,

Stone Boylan 46:30
Which was the best. It was the end of the game drive. We were on the what was it five yard line,

Griffin Cunningham 46:36
Three

Stone Boylan 46:36
Three yard line, and this was like, okay, we need to take time off the clock or else we would punt in poor field position and give Miami a chance to win the game. And Griffin was like they're scoring on this drive on like, shut up, like they're not going to score and they go down. KC gets the ball has a few good runs. And then Armstrong comes in as a really nice run for first down gets a horse collar tackle. moves us up, forward even more. And then

Griffin Cunningham 47:05
Kendrick Raphael

Stone Boylan 47:06
Raphael is able to just bounce off a guy. Yeah, get into the end zone.

Griffin Cunningham 47:10
It's like a 30 something yard touchdown.

Stone Boylan 47:12
Best drive they had

Griffin Cunningham 47:13
Kendrick Raphael, I've been waiting, waiting. He only got three carries in that game, but like

Stone Boylan 47:19
And he took advantage of all of them

Griffin Cunningham 47:20
He might be he might be that guy. He really might be Michael Allen and Raphael. I don't know that there's much of a gap between the two.

Stone Boylan 47:28
So I agree. I like he looks really good

Griffin Cunningham 47:31
I think Raphael is going to be good. Especially like next year, like, keep an eye out for him.

Stone Boylan 47:35
So hopefully in the future. Yeah. Like you said, future even just in the next few games, maybe he gets more run because we're never going to be more run heavy. I'll tell you that with Armstrong, but I don't necessarily think that's bad. Because anytime Armstrong comes into the game, he hasn't thrown a pass. He just ran. And the defense knows that. And he still gets like seven yards. So that's pretty impressive. The fact that you know what the opponent is going to do and you can't stop it. I think that's pretty big deal. Yeah. And he's not inept with throwing. He's just not phenomenal or good or amazing. He's okay.

Griffin Cunningham 48:07
He's a lefty.

Stone Boylan 48:08
Yeah, well, lefties are fine. Okay. But he, you know, he's, he's okay, thrown he's fine. But he's a good runner.

Griffin Cunningham 48:17
I think yeah, I feel like his running skills come from like his gingerness. I feel like gingers just don't care. They just don't care, man.

Stone Boylan 48:27
I'll tell you what he puts his head down.

Griffin Cunningham 48:29
He really does

Stone Boylan 48:29
Versus like, I love it. I love it. And I hate these fans dude that are like, all of a sudden, like, yes, we're back on the we are Armstrong. We're like, you were just freaking out about how MJ Morris needs to come in. Put, he's going to take us to the moon. He's an astronaut. And it went completely went exactly as I thought it would. And I obviously these fans want their team to win. So I don't want to crap on them for that. I just think it's so funny about the casualness that I brought up of the fans that are just like, hey, we want to write on and go through anything because we don't actually analyze why this is happening. Okay, why is this going on? The only thing that was changed with KC getting more motion. And that was the only positive that you can take away from the offense of why we're able to stay alive. So imagine if we weren't doing that, we would have lost both games. And then imagine if we were doing that beforehand, plus the Armstrong runs like we would have beat Louisiville. I think if they use KC in a better way, because a lot of it was trying to throw a time we're like, okay, we can't really throw like this because as we said the other receivers are just not it. But maybe we could try getting KC the ball in the backfield and going around like this. All we needed was a field or two. So that's probably a win that we save right there. Or obviously the Marshal game. That was probably Morris's his best game, I guess you could say in terms of him being able to gather the team and be like, hey, we're gonna go score every time But the reason we were down is because he threw, like three picks and had turnovers. And that could have been avoided. So I don't want to crap on him a ton. It's just I don't, I don't think he did anything to really improve the team, other than be some sort of stabilizing force to where they can implement the offense that Anae was trying to figure out, and not just relying on Armstrong to do this, because maybe that was the case where they were like, hey, we work together, let's do what we did before. And clearly, that's not the case, because you don't have the same personnel. And it didn't work. And now I think that MJ Morris came in, Anae was able to figure out an offense where he's not just relying on all the stuff he did with Armstrong before. And now Armstrong can come back in and he can implement that same offense, plus all the other running that he was doing before. So I think it's, it was a good positive for the team, and it made them realize what they can do with offense. And it might be a little bit better. I don't think it'll be the exact same, because I still prefer the running ability that it gives because I think he can get you can get you more first downs, which takes time off the clock. And our defense is phenomenal. I mean, they've just been awesome. So, you know, at the end of the day, it was shocking that he's not there. But I don't think we should, I think it'll be the same if not maybe a little bit better. Don't freak out if we lose to Wake Forest, because they're a good team. But if we're thinking about the highs, I think we could get to an eight win season. I'd say winning two of the next three games would be the ideal outcome.

Griffin Cunningham 51:35
Yeah, we'll spend more time on our next episode talking about how that plays into maybe potential ACC championship stuff, because that's still working itself out. But to wrap it up, did you want to talk about your your posts your first postgame press conference with Dave Doeren?

Stone Boylan 51:52
Yeah, so Dave Doeren, obviously, head coach for our football team. Really cool guy, I was able to have the privilege of asking him an interview question via zoom. And we can play the clip here where you can make the judgment for yourself. But

this is what he said. Hey coach congrats on your record breaking win and all the success you've had here at NC State. After two impressive home wins in the past two weeks, you guys are going to start your last road stretch of the season versus Wake Forest and Virginia Tech. What's the biggest thing that you want your team to focus on in the coming week and bring to both of these away games?

Dave Doeren 52:34
Great question. And I'll let you ask me that on Monday. Tonight, we're going to celebrate the win.

Stone Boylan 52:43
So yeah, that's Dave Doeren completely dunking on me and my question that I asked of my first ever question to anyone related or not anyone related to football, because I asked Peyton Wilson something and he had, you know, and White, Aydan White. Both questions, and that was cool. But Dave Doeren, we weren't planning on him coming because they said he wasn't going to they said it was just going to be these four players.

Griffin Cunningham 53:06
Yeah, they just usually he opens usually he's the first one.

Stone Boylan 53:09
And so and they were like, Hey, he's not going to be there. And we're like, okay, and then he comes in as the last guy. And there's like, yeah, I know, he just wanted to come in. And we're like, okay, and I was like, why don't want it. I didn't have a ton of questions planned, because we didn't know he wasn't gonna be there. But I was like, other people gonna ask about all this other stuff with him, obviously getting his big wins. So I'm like, well, I'll just ask something about the future. And he clearly didn't like that. So what I did was I went back and tried to get my question back again.

A coach, again, congrats on the win. After the game, I had briefly shortly after question about your upcoming matchup. So I just wanted to come back with a little bit more info. And just see after two presses, always, next two road games. What's the biggest thing you think you guys want to focus on this upcoming week and break them up in those matches?

Dave Doeren 54:02
Yeah, appreciate the follow up Stone. Yeah, excited about the matchup with Wake you know, I think it's a team that doesn't meet itself, very experienced ton of continuity in their systems. The guys know it inside and out. You can see that on film, they play really hard. It doesn't matter who you watch them play. You see the same thing guys just playing hard, you know, their sound. And so that's the matchup you got to go earn this one. And I think that's one thing our team has figured out. Like, if you don't beat yourself, and you play really, really hard, longer than the guy across from me, you're gonna win. And we got to keep doing it. You know, we got to be able to continue the process of being consistent from that standpoint. And so that's what I look forward to is that challenge with this matchup with Wake Forest is you know, alright just beat Clemson you just beat Miami. Now, here's the next team that we gotta go try to beat and understand they're not easy to beat in their stadium. That's a place a lot of people go down and fail out. So a lot of focus is going to be on how do we go down there and be the best team we can be.

Stone Boylan 55:11
So yeah, at least in the end, he was smiling and laughing and remember, but that was, that was kind of funny

Griffin Cunningham 55:18
Yeah no your doing you're doing a good job better, better than I was when I first started. So I think, you know, you're on, you're on a good,

Stone Boylan 55:25
Well I don't think you elicited a response like that? Because he

Griffin Cunningham 55:29
No, no, but I mean, I've been doing it for over a year. And most most guys, you meet our age, you know, don't even ask a question. So, kudos to you. I didn't ask Dave my first question until like this this year, at some point. So, I mean, I've gone to every game and it's not the easiest thing. So to go back twice is pretty bold, and I think, I think you know, maybe he'll remember you so

Stone Boylan 55:55
hopefully, my name is weird.

Griffin Cunningham 55:56
Stone yeah, yeah.

Stone Boylan 55:58
It was scary because I was worried I'd be like, if I come back is gonna be like, okay, dude like shut up like, well,

Griffin Cunningham 56:04
I don't know, man, I think you worded it pretty well. So I don't think

Stone Boylan 56:07
He was cool though.

Griffin Cunningham 56:07
I think he appreciates good questions.

Stone Boylan 56:09
I like him

Griffin Cunningham 56:09
Something about him, so

Stone Boylan 56:10
He's a cool dude.

Griffin Cunningham 56:11
Yeah, well keep it up. Well, I guess that's that's all we got for today. Thanks for listening to us. We will you know, we'll be back in two weeks

Stone Boylan 56:19
we'll be back

Griffin Cunningham 56:20
spacing it out

Stone Boylan 56:21
don't worry

Griffin Cunningham 56:21
a little bit, but hopefully that makes it more special. So thanks. There's been Light it Red. Music In this podcast was Jonah timbers king of sports and vibe and sneaky, licensed under creative commons from the Free Music Archive

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